Cyprus Property Victims | Waiting For Citizenship Bill Changes

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Cyprus Property Victims – Waiting For Citizenship Bill Changes

So the TRNC Government have been too busy with all the other affairs of state to make the changes in the Citizenship Bill we are led to believe is going to help the victims of Gary Robb. One does wonder just how complicated the change is going to be that it cannot be spared some time in the Government’s busy schedule. However there is some good news from this U.S. factual account of the court’s ruling.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/10/13/72392.htm

I am sure, like me the victims are anxious to see how much longer the TRNC Government will keep these victims of Gary Robb waiting for this change to be ratified, and even more interesting to see if this does translate into positive help for the victims, all of the victims.

Never give in never give up

Pauline Read

 

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21 comments to Cyprus Property Victims | Waiting For Citizenship Bill Changes

  • Polly Marples

    It is pathetic how long the victims are now being kept waiting, but the usual game is being played with them.

  • Cyprus Sue

    I am sure there is a long list of other property victims experiencing identical problems, to Gary Robb’s buyers. However for obvious reasons, Robb has always remained in the media spotlight and newspapers throughout Britain continue to print any updates regarding him and his victims. This means that it is not just Robb under the spot-light but also the TRNC, in particular the judiciary and all those that partnered Robb who just happened to be Government officials or so called pillars of the community like lawyers.
    This is advantageous to the buyers. When you know you are being watched you tend to behave differently.The potential for damage through ongoing reporting on an already highly criticised construction industry, much associated with fraud and corruption, will not sit well with the Government, who up to now have done their best to sweep such issues under the carpet.
    For this reason I am hopeful that these particular victims will be more successful than many others have been. Surely they have to be seen to be accountable? The SOCCA report that identified the extent of Robb’s and his partners corruption, will also have had a contributing effect.

    It will be interesting to see if this case simply follows the usual stalling tactics and false promises or becomes one of the few success stories.

    One thing is for sure, if it fails, there is no hope that the Government is prepared to support TRNC property victims and it remains business as usual.

  • Polly Marples

    Indeed interesting times ahead.

    If the Govt. do act in a positive way to help the purchasers attain title, there is still so much more to be done for those with unfinished property, property in the process of decay, subsidence on the whole site. Infrastructure and utilities needed too.

    For those with complete or almost complete property the situation may not be so daunting, for others ?.

    Then of course there is the criminal case that found Robb guilty of
    building and selling on GC land, a case that went through an EU members court system so one has to wonder if there are any implications there.

    Altogether a different scenario than the one in the Washington case.

  • Cyprus Sue

    Yes, the more you consider the implications – if they managed to sentence Robb for building/buying on this site, could a legal precedent have been set and legal battle round two is waiting in the wings?

    I suspect the TRNC government will do no more than give title, expecting infrastructure and utilities would be living in fantasy land.

  • Polly Marples

    Yes. Having the land put into their names could be the start of a new headache for the victims. Massive amounts of money needed to complete or re start the build in most cases. Then the unknown because of the Robb’s ROC conviction. They would most certainly argue that it had been proved to be GC land and that the new owners were aware of it. There could be all sorts of legal hassle.

    3 years ago I visited Amaranta and saw just how bad the condition of the majority of the structures there are. They have not fared well.

  • Cyprus Sue

    Polly,

    on the subject of Gary Robb did the AGA Ladies ever get a settlement from SOCA?

  • Polly Marples

    As far as I understand it, when claimants were invited to claim, the case would not be heard before 14th October 2014
    I guess the AGA ladies would be amongst those claimants. I have not heard anything yet.

    http://northcyprusfreepress.com/nca-v-gary-robb-whatever-happened-to-the-money/

  • jazzy

    Pauline & Polly before you continue scaremongering please look at the link and stop casting doubts on the outcome. Please stick to things that you are involved in.

    http://www.eurocoast-group.com/Page/European%20Court%20Update,%20Good%20news%20for%20Northern%20Cyprus.html

  • Cyprus Sue

    The case mentioned in the above link, predates what happened to Robb for purchasing GC land.So the link has no bearing on his prosecution. The IPC and ECHR decision is about settlement for GC land and should not be confused with prosecutions for illegally purchasing GC land or property. However there is no doubt it was beneficial for Turkey and identified the IPC as a proper and legal entity for settling property claims.

    It would have been better to actually use the ECHR case summary on the case quoted in the link. A write up from a TRNC Developer/Estate Agents is hardly good research! Sales people who are promoting property sales are hardly going to have a balanced view and it promotes a false sense of security by being economical with the truth. Lots of mistakes made by the lawyer and owner in this case including the fact that they were not the owners of the property, the house was a 2nd holiday home rather than the main residence and there were lots of other technicalities identified by IPC and ECHR. Perhaps not as straight forward as the link would have us believe. Best to explore the ECHR and IPC findings to get a more accurate picture.

  • Polly Marples

    You call it scaremongering, I call it facing reality.

    There has never been a comparison so who knows what could happen if anyone takes title on a property someone has already been jailed for selling. Not me, and certainly not you jazzy. Pauline is only pointing out possibilities, not certainties.

    As Cs points out your link pre dates the Robb conviction and is hardly from an unbiased source. As for sticking to things she is involved in, she does have Aga victims in her support groups and the groups have a joint membership of over 7500 members.

  • Polly Marples

    correction…the case in the link predates the Robb case, not the link itself.

    However remember, Robb’s conviction was a criminal case…not a civil one..i.e taking title could also be deemed as a criminal offence by the ROC.

  • dj

    who is this jazzy.was he a rapper in a former life. and cyprus Sue the real person behind that name was and is very economical with the truth in the past he was found out.
    have a great day jazzy rap some more…….LOL

  • Polly Marples

    Oh dear, I guess jazzy is not flavour of the month, maybe even the year.

  • dj

    Polly
    jazzy should learn that you can post with lots of names.but you have to remember that the IP address of their pc. is the same.so we can tell who writes what
    xxx

  • Polly Marples

    I think we both know who we think it is, but everyone has he right to comment.

    I don’t know about you dj, but I guess we both are not going to get a Christmas card this year….lol

  • Cyprus Sue

    dj,

    can you explain what you mean by this?

    “cyprus Sue” the real person behind that name was and is very economical with the truth in the past he was found out.

    I can ensure you that he is a she!

  • Polly Marples

    Cyprus Sue, I think this is a misunderstanding. I know dj and he is addressing you and telling you that the person behind the name, in this case jazzy, is being economical with the truth. I know he admired your comments because he told me so.

    I think he must have typed this in a hurry.

  • Cyprus Sue

    Thanks Polly, I was confused when called a “he” and wondered who people thought I might be.

  • Polly Marples

    CS, as I say, dj admires your comments, as do I.

    dj and I both know who jazzy is and we know he is the only one who could possibly benefit from the change in the Citizenship bill without it costing an arm and a leg, if it happens. If the Govt do go on to use the changes to be able to facilitate transfer of title into the purchasers names, although as I have said, it could be a poison chalice.

  • dj

    cyprus sue. i was referring to your comments on your post about jazzy being economical with the truth.i know who he is.
    sorry if you misunderstood me.
    dj

  • Cyprus Sue

    Thanks dj,

    I have read it again and see that I misinterpreted your message. I now understand what you meant.
    Sue