Cyprus Problem | Cyprus Talks Fiasco

cyprus talksCyprus Problem – Cyprus Talks Fiasco

There are several reasons the Cyprus Talks are in chaos. The reason currently in the forefront is that the Greek Cypriots have withdrawn from the talks while they are not allowed to extract gas unhindered by Turkey. They knew that was going to happen the moment the idea arose so why at this late stage they should withdraw is a mystery. Well perhaps not a mystery, the only way Anastasiades could withdraw from the problems he was creating internally by being seen to work with the north was to use a pretext to get him out of trouble. Unfortunately, he has to either withdraw his objections or else that is the end of a solution in the near future. The north would then be justified in seeking alternative ways of ending their isolation.

The second reason for the Cyprus Talks fiasco is that the north’s chief negotiator, Kudret Ozersay, has been dismissed for seeking to become President, something that, in my opinion, he will fail to achieve. Ordinarily, this lack of continuity would be a disaster for the north but as the talks appear to be over it’ll make no difference.

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14 comments to Cyprus Problem | Cyprus Talks Fiasco

  • Miltiades

    Just in case it has escaped your notice, the RoC IS THE ONLY recognised sovereign power over the ENTIRE island. Turkey has no legitimately justified reasons to hinder gas explorations in Cyprus’ territorial waters.

    Turkey is occupying the northern parts of Cyprus as per the UN, the EU and all international entities. The only ones in denial of Cyprus’ sovereignty are you low down cheapskates.
    Like it or not the pseudo state is NOT RECOGNIZED. Get it !!

  • Polly Marples

    Whoooo you can feel the force with which he types can’t you folks.

    Well they may be recognised by a lot but not by the one’s in the north ruling themselves.

    A damn fine mess they are making of ruling the south Stanley.

  • cyprussue

    Currently the “pseudo” state is not recognised but we have to do some forward thinking here and look at the consequences of President A’s actions in refusing to participate in the talks. Harping on about the EU, UN and other International entities is meaningless because again and again we witness this just falling from GC tongues onto deaf ears because there is much apathy with the Cyprus problem.

    President A was wrong to take this stance. It was the right time to take a “statesman” stance and sit round the table and constructively discuss the problem with other statesmen. Of course this would not have been his motive because Turkeys actions have given him the pretext to stop the talks. Not happy that they have already been stalled for over a year, we now chose to discontinue them again. When will the Cypriot population see that the perpetuation of the current status quo of Cyprus does nothing but ensure that President A remains seated in the Presidential chair for another 4 years? This is the real reason the talks are cancelled at every opportunity. Self interests are much more important than National interests. When will the Cypriot population wake up and smell the coffee? We see political self interests when looking at the banking crisis, NPL’s and the judiciary. When will the peoples needs come first? New thinking is needed with the Cyprus problem and it must come from the islands peoples because there is no political willpower for a solution.

    More worryingly is that many other countries, now aware of how Cyprus works, are becoming disinterested and no longer really care if the talks do not go ahead. It is becoming blatantly obvious that neither side really want a solution and that with the passage of time and the conclusion that neither side can reach an acceptable agreement, the TRNC will become an official recognised country.

  • Polly Marples

    Really all they need is a rubber stamp..

  • AM

    The TRNC is by all intents & purpose an independent country and has been for years,.. the infrastructure is there in place the banking system is in place, law courts, imports and plenty of support from Turkey.
    The “official” recognition is just a formality and will come in time.
    As they say “Everything comes to those who wait” ? so just a little more patience is needed.

    Any sane thinking person only needs to look around in the north to see what the TRNC is morphing into despite what dinosaur GC elders may say or think.

  • Jerry

    One of the criteria for recognition of newly created States is that the majority of inhabitants should own the land, most of the land in the “trnc” belongs to Greek Cypriots. You should also know that generally the UN does not recognise States created through the use of armed force. The only way the “trnc” can ever gain recognition is through negotiation with the internationally recognised ROC.

    Dream on Cyprussue.

  • Jerry

    A sane person would also ask why does a country that claims to be independent want to exploit gas reserves south of Cyprus where by no stretch of the imagination could it claim territorial waters.

  • Miltiades

    Jerry, what you have to realize is that AM is firing on one and only one brain cell. He is a complete utter STUPIDO, he thinks his mouth is his ar.., therefore when ever he opens his mouth crap comes out.

  • AM

    Shall we wait and see gentlemen….. 🙂

  • cyprussue

    Whilst I agree with some of your comments, I think that your viewpoints and politics are based on wishful thinking and in my opinion this approach, rather than people embracing the politics of the achievable, appears to have dominated the island for too long. You state that the only way the “TRNC” can ever gain recognition is through negotiation with the internationally recognised ROC.
    Do you really think this is true? The status quo has proved to be very durable, described in some reports as, “the world’s most peaceful frozen conflict” despite all the political rhetoric. The inability to reach any sort of solution has led to a slow but steady de facto normalisation and creeping recognition. This has produced many of the benefits that would be associated with a political settlement, within the framework of a two state kind of settlement and without any reintegration of the two communities.
    Nobody has died since 1996 and 10 people have died since 1974. Excellent work is observed by the bicommunal committee seeking to identify the remains of the missing casualties from the 63 – 74 violence. In 2013 both sides cancelled for the sixth consecutive year running, their once vigorous military exercises. Ceasefire violations along the Green Line typically consist only of a new line of sandbags or insults hurled by bored young conscripts on Saturday nights. Visitors throng shops and cafés in regenerated pedestrian districts on both sides of the heart of the divided capital, Nicosia.
    The two sides have long cooperated over the capital’s waste water, which flows into the Turkish Cypriot north. Emergencies elicit a quick response, partly because Greek Cypriots make an exception for pre-1974 Turkish Cypriot entities like the chamber of commerce and municipality. Joint action to solve power outages in the south and fighting an oil slick in the north show how the two distinct entities can work normally once political obstacles are removed.
    This self-solving approach even applies to the Turkish Cypriot airport of Ercan. In theory, no one recognises it except Turkey and the “TRNC”, but it is no less busy – servicing flights from Turkey – than the main Republic of Cyprus airport in Larnaca. Despite the GC Government ruling out its legalislation, thousands of Greeks still use it, since international connections via Istanbul are faster and cheaper. GC pilots are now employed by Turkish Airways and I won’t mention recent footballers and casinoes!
    The communities are going their separate ways. Fewer TC’s are crossing the border for free health care and most no longer speak both languages. More GC’s are settling with the IPC as a result of the ROCs financial problems.
    The island is normalising itself with little political manoeuvrings.
    Whilst the argument for official, recognised separation is rarely raised by the ROC it is becoming more widely spoken about in other circles. A Spanish think team recently said, “the international community is becoming increasingly frustrated … if the two sides do not want to live together or either side’s goals are unattainable, then, instead of being forced into a new and unworkable marriage, they should agree a divorce on friendly terms”.
    The U .S. Congressional Research Service concluded last year that “a ‘two-state’ solution seems to have become a more prominent part of the Turkish Cypriot/Turkey rhetoric and unless a dramatic breakthrough occurs early in the negotiations… this reality may gain more momentum.”
    40 years of exhaustion is the reality Jerry. Very few are listening and even less are interested. The solution is never going to be a political one but peoples actions, especially the younger generations might just make it possible.

  • Jerry

    Few will dispute what you call “normalisation” but you make the mistake of confusing that with recognition.

  • Cyprus Sue

    The major political aim of the ROC is to obstruct any “normalisation” of the regime in the north, as this could lead or imply recognition of the Turkish Cypriot state. This has extended to almost any imaginable activity of an international nature, from trade to the landing of civilian company planes in the north, from sports meetings to academic conferences, including meetings or events devoid of any explicit political content.

    I am suggesting that this tactic, although successful in the past, is now failing. Not because things have changed but because people wish to live in the present and not the past. There appears to be a feeling of “enough is enough”

    You might be right in suggesting that recognition and normalisation are different.However there is a fine line between normalisation and recognition and in many cases the outcome is the same. I suspect that much of what is happening is more than acceptable to the TRNC regime and will be interpreted as recognition.

    You can call an airport unrecognised but surely the real proof as to whether it is recognised or not lies with the fact that it is used by both communities and due to current demand, needs to be extended and has increasing profits?

    We can pretend that the whole world does not recognise the TRNC but of late, actions are speaking much louder than words.

  • Cyprus Sue

    Socialist EDEK is at a loss for words after a decision by the European Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats to prevent a discussion at the European Parliament on Turkey’s shenanigans around the island’s Exclusive Economic Zone.

    More recognition? More support from Europe?

    Head in sand syndrome is not just a problem for Cypriot home buyers!

  • Miltiades

    The island was divided following the Turkish INVASION of 1974.
    The international community acknowledges the existense of the Turkish Cypriot community but after 40 refuses to recognize the pseudo state.

    Gestures indeed have been made both by the EU and the international community towards the T/Cs, recognition however is another entity.

    Britain as a guarantor power had a legal obligation as per the Zurich agreement to preserve and protect the sovereignty of the RoC. It remained impotent in view of the then prevailing strategic interests which have now altered somewhat.

    The overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people will never agree to a third of their island remaining under Turkish occupation for ever.