British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963

Links

Ken Dunn

Help NCFP – Use AMAZON

We get 4% from Amazon so when ordering CLICK BELOW

Local Businesses

Who's Online

72 visitors online now
20 guests, 52 bots, 0 members

British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963

embargoed British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963The human rights group Embargoed! will be holding a candlelit vigil outside the Greek Cypriot High Commission in central London on 21 December 2010. The all-night presence will remember the 133 Turkish Cypriot victims who were killed or went missing in Cyprus 47 years ago during a 10 day period dubbed ‘Bloody Christmas’. British Turks are being asked to show their support by purchasing and wearing a black ribbon bow on 21-22 December or to pass by the vigil itself.

The London vigil, timed to coincide with the Republic of Cyprus’ fiftieth anniversary of independence, will see a candle lit for each of the victims lost during 21-31 December 1963. Activists will wear black ribbon bows as a mark of respect, while leaflets will be handed out to passers by. The action forms part of 50 Dark Years – Tell the Truth!, a year-long campaign by Embargoed! that is challenging the Greek Cypriot authorities for ‘airbrushing out’ the suffering they inflicted on Turkish Cypriots. The group is also calling on British politicians and commentators to get their historical facts right when they speak about the Cyprus Conflict.

The events of December 1963 was the first step in the notorious Akritas Plan, a systematic campaign of terror orchestrated by Greek Cypriots who wanted to take control of the island by forcing Turkish Cypriots to accept inferior rights. It marked the start of the Cyprus Conflict and resulted in the collapse of the three year old power-sharing Government of the Republic of Cyprus. Although well documented in newspapers and diplomatic exchanges at the time, Embargoed! argues that ‘Bloody Christmas’ and the subsequent brutal oppression of Turkish Cypriots that prompted the intervention of Turkey 11 years later have been erased from historical record by the Greek Cypriot authorities.

Ersu Ekrem 300x234 British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963

Ersu Ekrem

Embargoed! activist Ersu Ekrem says, “I was a young boy living in Nicosia in December 1963. I clearly remember the fear we Turkish Cypriots faced when for no apparent reason we came under attack. Those 10 days during Christmas and New Year were horrific – people were killed or went missing or were forced out of their homes at gun point simply for being Turkish.” He continued, “It’s about time the Republic of Cyprus authorities came clean about their role in the Cyprus Conflict. We cannot solve Cyprus on a lie and it is shocking that nearly 50 years on, many Greek Cypriots still believe the conflict started with a random invasion by Turkey in July 1974 when in fact it was their own politicians back in December 1963 who started it.”

The ‘Bloody Christmas’ candlelit vigil will take place outside the Greek Cypriot High Commission located at 13 St James’s Square, London SW1Y 4LB. It will start at 5pm and run until the following morning. Details of where to purchase a black ribbon bow are on Embargoed!’s website and Facebook page.

pf button British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963
share save 256 24 British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963

80 comments to British Turks asked to remember victims of Bloody Christmas 1963

  • British Turk

    I will attend. Greek cypriots started all these problems. They then blame Turkey. Today on this forum you can read what some greek cypriots still belive today. They refuse to acknowlege the facts and instead make up lies to keep the TRNC unreconized. Its about time we all got together and put an end to this situation.stop talking to them and get our part, the TRNC trading with the world and ignore them. They chose this path, now they cry like babies. what the hell is wrong with a two state goverment speaking with one voice to the world. I shall tell you, G/C dont want T/C to share anything with them. They lie to your face, they lie to the whole world. If they had their way we all would be DEAD.

  • Robin Melhuish

    I was informed recenztly by a local that remains 2 of the “missing” GCs’, whose demise was long laid at the feet of the Turkish army, have been discovered in Paphos. The reason for thweir execution so the teller related was cooperation with the Turkish Community. Now comes the hard bit. The remains were found in Limasol. I can’t remember the Turkish army being there. Any one got any info on the matter, or is it just another tale for round the camp fire?

  • miltiades

    Robin , I posted a link on another thread , yet to be posted , showing the number of dead T/Cs from 1956 to 1974 amounted to just under 800 according to Turkish sources. Stop being the fool that you usually are and accept that you and the other cheapskates have been hoodwinked !!!
    Do tell me now mate , how many T/Cs killed 6 YEARS BEFORE THE INVASION !!!!!
    I do wish that Malcolm  would let my posts through providing TURKISH links !!
     


    • Milt, how many times do I have to tell you, comments with two links or more automatically go into a moderation queue in case they are spam. I don’t think you know the difference between dead and missing. Dead is someone who is confirmed as dead, missing is just that, missing as per the ATCA stats. Apparently, according to Greek Cypriot sources, 77% of GGs are unable to correctly interpret statistics.

  • Vince Hugo

    Yiannis,
    I think we have got the message from you about the low number of TC’s killed in the 6 years before the Turkish intervention. What I don’t understand is why you think that this information proves some sort of point.
    I don’t pretend to be a historian so I’m sure that you can (and will) pick holes in the specifics.
    But it does seem to be accepted that TC’s suffered atrocities in 1963/64 at the hands of GC’s and in the name of Enosis – union with Greece. The situation may have stabilised in the following years, although it’s understandable that TC’s felt oppressed and unsafe during that period. So I can imagine how they felt at the news that there had been a military coup and that Enosis was very much back on the cards. It doesn’t take a genius to understand the implications for TC’s on the island. Are you suggesting that they had to wait until there was clear proof of genocide before calling for help?
    So the fact that few TC’s were killed in the 6 years prior to the intervention of Turkey is (obviously) good news but doesn’t mean that the intervention wasn’t justified.

  • miltiades

    Vince , for your information the number of T/Cs killed during the intercomunal years of strife was about the same  in numbers. The T/Cs suffered a great deal as a result of the actions of G/C fanatics and Turkish extremists , TNT .
    You as well as others seem to find the fact that 82 % of the Cypriot people were determined to chart their own destiny as some weird and unjust pursuit, are you and the other brainless English peasants forgetting the primary principle of democracy , the same democracy that thousands upon thousands of British and allied troops lost their lives for ?
    Simpleton , listen to me , the Turkish army did not INTERVENE it invaded  killing thousands of Cypriots and losing 3000 of their own troops , displacing 200, 000 people and  forcing more than 50,000 T/Cs to depart in order that they can make a living elsewhere.
    Did you by the way use the same logic in declaring that the invasion was an intervention and a fair one as you used in deciding to invest in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers as being occupied by Turkey ,obviously you did so your opinion is worthless you are too stupid !!
    Next please !

  • AM

    Totally agree Vince
    It makes you shudder to think if Enosis went unchecked and Turkey did not intervene then I have no doubt that genocide would have started again and the TC population would have…..well who knows what would have happened.
    People really do need to think hard of what the consequences might have been.
    It seems to me that the GC population simply can not accept that the north is a safe haven for people to live in peace and without persecution.

  • miltiades

    AM , you are talking rubbish , you are forgiven due to insufficient brain cell power !!
    Stupid listen . 82 % of the indigenous to Cyprus population had every right to demand the right of exercising their democratic right , I wont go on further you are too stupid to understand, next please …

  • Ian Edwards

    Yiannis, will you for god’s sake try to forget your usual line of insulting garbage and argue with at least an attempt at reason?

    You have on a number of occasions admitted that you fought with Eoka and for Enosis, and that now in hindsight that may not have been the greatest idea you’ve ever had.

    Can you not see, therefore, that your stance now is simply not logical? Never mind all your childish insults, your stance is clearly wrong. The GCs DID adopy and embrace Enosis, TMT WAS a reaction to Enosis, and the whole GC population DOES bear responsibility for what happened.

    Yes, it WAS an invasion, and it DID halt the oppression of TCs in their own country. Peace HAS reigned ever since.

    These are all facts, Yiannis.

  • polly

    May God be with you all at your Vigil.

    May God teach us all to forgive.

  • miltiades

    Ian , let me put you right once and for all.
    82%  of the Cypriot people had every bloody right to want to determine their own future , get this in your thick scull and then we can proceed with further debates, first you must acknowledge that there was NOTHING untoward about 82 % of indigenous Cypriots wanting union with Greece , Union with Russia , union with Abyssinia , get it , when you do respond wisely in the knowledge that democracy in the free democratic  world functions and prosecutes policies based on MAJORITY RULE.
    What really gets up my nose is when low intellect Brits and others comment on ENOSIS as if the 82 % of the indigenous Cypriot people  had committed a crime of unparalleled proportions !!
    Why are you so blatantly stupid !

    Polly , you are forgiven for being so stupid as to “invest” in a part of the world where only mad dogs and English senile old codgers would do.
    I will NEVER forgive you however for posting that the Turkish invasion that culminated in the death of more than 10, 000 people was correct.
    Take your pill now dear and rest that rusty brain cell now !

  • British Turk

    People like milt are living proof that Turkey was correct to place troops in cyprus to protect turkish cypriots.TRNC is now a safe place for all. 
     My real problem is we did not go all the way and put them all in a boat to Greece. Never mind maybe next time. For the record milt if you START A WAR,by killing people this is what you did. you cant cry after that your people got killed, you call other people stupied but you are by far the most stupied person i have come across in these forums. There is NO reason on this earth whatsoever to kill people. End of.We all must move on , but I now g/c cant, so piss off to greece like most of you wanted.you cant have cyprus, understand this. you cant have cyprus, never.  TRNC forever and ever.

  • British Turk

    AND another thing. A lot of g/c are just simply terrorist scum. You did not try to peacefully end British rule and rule with your turkish brothers, NO. you became a terrorist and tried genoside and bombs and kill people to end British rule. kill all non greeks and rule cyprus, this was your plan. This is a fact and is in the history books and the world has acknowleged this. so try denying this, go on make up some bullshit to justify killing people. Well you cant and a lot of decent people around the world are learning the truth. I for one now how to deal with terrorist scum.

  • Robin Melhuish

    Just proves a point 77% of GCs don’t understand statistics and the other half have got a clue.

  • Vince Hugo

    Yiannis,

    I’m going to ignore the tirade of abuse (which I sort of expected because you don’t seem able to write anything without including it).

    1) So you are saying that 82% of the Cypriot community ie. every single Greek Cypriot, wanted Enosis. Really?!

    2) The point I was making was not that Enosis in itself was wrong, but that the way you went about it i.e. attempting to kill all those who didn’t go along with your views, most definitely was.


    • Vince, the Greek Orthodox Church in January 1950 had a poll during Sunday services and discovered that 95.7% of their congregation favoured enosis. I wonder what happened to the Greek Cypriots who voted against enosis?

  • British Turk

    killed Malcolm or had to keep very very quiet about their views

  • ukrainski

    Hello Mr Miltiades,
    I have now read a lot of your comments but never relied before.
    I am seriously worried about you. Have you considered seeking medical help for your mental problems? I understand that there are some very good doctors in Athens. Maybe one of them can help you. Good luck with this.
    By the way I am sure that your fellow greek cypriots are absoloutely thrilled with the way you talk to other people. You have such fine ambassadorial qualities. 

  • miltiades

    Well hello Mr ukrainsky , since you appear to know much about nothing would you kindly refer me to my comments that encouraged you to formulate an opinion on my ..mental health. Do tell us please Sir …
    Would you also , so that we know where you are coming from , tell us if you accept the democratic principle of majority rule , just like Turkey does for instance.
     

  • British Turk

    milt you live in a dream, face it and you can get better. You can be forgiven for beliving crap, we all belive some crap we are told from time to time. Its not to late, you can get some help. you can be free from beliving terrorist crap from your pedo state. Then maybe you can teach them humanity.

  • miltiades

    British Turk , do you know what pseudo state means ?
    Let me tell you , it is exactly something like the so called “trnc” NOT RECOGNIZED !!!!
    The RoC is RECOGNIZED BY ALL , THE ENTIRE WORLD !
    It has proper embassies the world over , it issues LEGAL passports and IDS , 50, 000 to T/Cs alone  , and has a postal serviced also recognized internationally as well as its own currency , the Euro.
    Now plonker what does the mickey mouse “trnc” have apart from gambling , prostitution , crooks that defraud foreigners , mostly gullible Brits !!!!!

  • British Turk

    Still pseudo state in my eyes. full of people that would comet genoside if given the chance. what do you think that makes your passports and IDs. Not worth the paper they are printed on. 
     50,000 t/c have them because their is no other choice. They are supressed by g/c then given a passport as compensation. It just suits SOME t/c for NOW. wont have to worry about such things very soon. Very very soon.
    TRNC has peace and security. and Brits like me,
    Every counrty has its crooks, you now this.
     I do think sometimes your not a real person, because no one could belive ALL the stuff you do. If its because of guilt, I for one, forgive you.hope this helps. If your for real god help us.

  • miltiades

    BT , would you give our readers an example of comments that I have made that are unreal ?
    Also , any evidence of this so called genocide , and dont confuse the issue with the 1.5 million Armenians …..
    So you are a Brit are you , well you most certainly have as much intelligence as all the cheapskates put together !!!!

  • ukrainski

    Hi Milt, how is life on the funny farm? I haven’t voiced any opinions on anything except your health. I am concerned that you need help, that is all.
    Good luck and keep taking the tablets.

  • British Turk

    Milt , I have NEVER seen a comment from you that
    IS REAL. Every single word you say is unture. The only thing that you have EVER said that is real is , that you and the world does not reconise the TRNC. Thats the only real thing. However hopefully this will change  soon. Apart from that, most of what you say is an excuse for trying to KILL all non greeks and have cyprus for just greeks. This will never happen, but you have to justify genoside, sorry, attemted genoside so you twist the truth to excuse murder. Well let me tell you something now. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR KILLING PEOPLE, NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER.

  • British Turk

    If milt took tablets and saw the real nature of his fellow g/c he would not be able to handle it, so dont take any tablets milt, just keep dreaming and beliving what ever they tell you.

  • polly

    I forgive you Yiannis for not forgiving me for acccepting a necessary evil’
    The evil men do in the name of righteousness, that includes BOTH sides.

  • miltiades

    BT , put up or shut up ….stupid !!

  • Vince Hugo

    Yiannis,

    Re. my earlier post. So are you saying that every single GC wanted Enosis?
    And that killing innocent people in the name of Enosis was part of a democratic process? Still waiting for clarification on this one . . . .

  • miltiades

    Vince , let us just deal with this ” issue” once and for all.
    Democracy over which millions of people lost their lives over two world wars , has one fundamental principle , remove this principle and DEMOKRATIA , people govern , seizes to exist , dictatorship or in the case of Cyprus part occupation , takes place.
    Majority IS the fundamental concept adopted by all civilized democratic nations. You can not dilute , reduce , denigrate or remove this principle which forms the foundations of democracy.
    The fact that not evey Cypriot wanted ENOSIS  is immaterial , the question you should be addressing is this : Did the majority of the Cypriot people want ENOSIS ? The majority Vince , that means one only vote over 50% ,
    Cut the crap now  and move on mate because you  just like the rest of cheapskates are totally clueless when it comes not only to Cypriot history but also to political realities the world over.
    I will ignore your comments on the killing of innocent non ENOSIS participants because is rubbish.
    Next please…

  • polly

    You have my wholehearted support for your Vigil.
    Please also remember those of us still suffering here, those whose homes and life savings are going to end up in the coffers of AKFINANS BANK LIMITED.  Fevzi showed us his personal suppport in the Vigil led by Ismet but Embargoed have never come out publicly and backed the Property Justice victims.   Why?  We are the living victims, those that can benefit from your support.   MY thoughts and prayers will be with on
    21st/22nd December when you will enjoy the freedom to carry out your Vigil, the majority of the victims here were not.  Our Human Rights here are not respected.

  • miltiades

    Polly you forgot to mention the 10, 000 victims of the Turkish invasion and the displacement of 200,000 .
    Forget the missing 1600 plus and forget the countless of rapes committed by the Turkish troops invading Cyprus !
    As far as my personal ancestral lands , well I just have to live with it while Polly a masochist if ever I saw one , fights for her rights !!!
    You left out these minute details so that you could highlight your own self created MAJOR problem .
    How unreal and heartless are you the so called ” ex-pats” !


    • Milt, 6 million Jews lost their lives in WW2 and you continue to harp on about a few thousand Cypriots, would be an insensitive thing to write.

  • polly

    Too late to help the dead, so honour their memory by making certain it never happens again.   Yes also help the living before the stress kills them too.  What purpose would that serve, except perhaps to make life easier for Akfinans and all the other banks??

  • Vince Hugo

    Yiannis,

    If that was an answer, this is a question.
    So you now admit it wasn’t all Greek Cypriots that wanted Enosis, as you had originally suggested. And choosing to ignore my point about killing of innocent people in the name of Enosis just about says it all for your principles. 

  • miltiades

    Vince you are talking rubbish as per usual.
    The overwhelming majority of the G/Cs and of the Cypriot people wanted Enosis . Simple , accept this irrefutable fact and move on.
    Which people are you referring to as innocents killed in the name of Enosis ?
    Do bear in mind that I was a full active member of the youth branch of EOKA , the organization known as ANE .
    Just as my father was proud to have enlisted and to have served in the British army during WW2 , I too I’m proud at having participated in the struggle against British rule that was forced on the people of Cyprus , the Brits could never understand why the people of Cyprus wanted their freedom , how strange is that !!!!!!


    • so Milt, the overwhelming majority of T/Cs want independence from G/C rule that was forced on them in 1963, the G/Cs could never understand why T/Cs wanted their freedom , how strange is that !!!!!!

  • British Turk

    Eoka, how could someone admit to being in a terrorist organisation.  Nazi scum thats what you are milt. How can you live with yourself. hope their is a god and you get yours.

  • polly

    Arguing over that which cannot be changed. how strange is that?   Move on and make a future for both
    Gc’s and Tc’s, living in the past will achieve nothing.

  • Vince Hugo

    Yiannis,

    I know who’s talking rubbish but I also understand that you have a real problem in distinguishing between what is fact, what is indoctrinations and what is your opinion. I’m not sure whether you are actively avoiding the issue or are just not smart enough to understand it, but either way we are clearly not going to progress an intelligent discussion. I’ll leave you to your tirades of abuse – seems this is where you are most comfortable.

  • British Turk

    Totally agree with polly.
    However terrorists have to be dealt with all around the world. Eoka was one of them that was dealt with. TRNC is now a living proof you can deal with them. Make them live in their own pedo state.

  • polly

    Well said Vince Hugo, never take a man out of his comfort zone.

  • miltiades

    Malcolm , if the Pakistanis in the UK demanded their own state how would you react to that ? Enough nonsense from you Malcolm , lets now deal with Vince’s statement that I talk rubbish !!! Which of my posts includes “rubbish ” ?
    Could it be the fact that the fundamental concrete principle of Democracy is majority rule ? Is this rubbish ?
    Maybe the fact that the Cypriot people had every right to demand that Britain relinquished its rule over Cyprus , how absurd could that be , just imagine !!!!
    So do tell us mate !
    Poly , you are full of crap !
    British Turk , you are the village idiot so lets leave it at that !
    Next please ……


    • Milt, you seem quite happy to knock the British Empire, who within international law rightfully took control of Cyprus in 1878, but when it comes to the internationally recognised illegal activities of G/Cs in the 1950s you have an EOKA moment. Perhaps you’ll remind me who in the international community at the time supported the EOKA. I do believe that Turkey has just pushed the G/Cs out of North Cyprus much as EOKA pushed out the British. Because democracy means a majority rules in a united Cyprus, i.e. G/C rule, T/Cs have created their own country. If the RoC government wasn’t corrupt perhaps it might have worked

      Your last set of comments summed up your ability to continue a reasoned argument: “Poly , you are full of crap ! British Turk , you are the village idiot so lets leave it at that !” That’s your solution to everything, shoot down those who disagree rather than challenge their arguments.

  • polly

    Bit harsh Yiannis when all I was thinking about was your comfort.  

  • miltiades

    If EOKA was a terrorist organization then so was the French Resistance along with all those that had  …..the audacity to resist the Nazis !!!
    ps. can someone correct the village idiot that the “trnc” is NOT a ..pedo state but a pseudo state !!! He wont take it from me , he thinks I’m talking rubbish !
    Lets have a few words now about the “vigil” organized by the …pedo so called Embargoed !!!!!
    When Turkey invaded in 1974 ,  10,000 peple lost their lives ! 200,000 displaced , hundreds raped and hundreds taken to Turkey never to be seen again – Midnight Express comes to mind – A peace operation they call it !!!!
    When 1.5 million Armenians were massacred , a genocide according to the International community but not according to the Turks ! It was not a genocide their foreign secretary said since genocide did not enter the dictionary until WW2 !!!!!! Can you believe this !!!
    I’m not posting the link since Malcolm does not post anything with a link !!!
    ps. When I use the word “Turk” its purely relevant to those foreigners born in Turkey and NOT the T/Cs !


    • Milt wrote “I’m not posting the link since Malcolm does not post anything with a link !!!” Your ability to retain information is unbelievably weak. I said 2 or more links go into a moderation queue so I can check for spam. BTW the word “Turk” is a phrase invented by the British to cover a wide variety of ethnic groups living in a vast geographical area.

  • British Turk

    Turkey sorted out Eoka. milt your no better than a Nazi. You belonged to a terrorist organisation and it sounds like you never even new you was, and you call me the village idiot. simple people like you are brainwashed and sent out to carry out genoside.  Then you spend the rest of your life trying to justify your evil. You cant. you and only you have to live with your actions. I am proud to say I have never supported ANY form of violance and can sleep at night nowing i never wanted the death of anyone. what turkey did in 1974  certainly put down the terrorist group Eoka, this is a good thing. Your just lucky they let you have your pedo state so you can talk rubish as long as you like. some people who have experianced Eoka would not have allowed you this Land. Be greatfull terrorist.

  • miltiades

    BT , you are unbelievably stupid !!!
    Firstly , what genocide are you referring to , TMT knocking out T/Cs like flies or Turkey wiping out 1.5 million Armenians !!
    Malcolm thanks for telling me that the word Turk was invented by the British !!!!
    You are clearly totally clueless of what went on in Cyprus from 1955- to 1959 , EOKA was a liberation organization that engaged the occupiers ie the British Imperialists in armed struggle , nothing terrorist about that.
    Now if you are referring to EOKA B then I’m with you all the way , they were mostly extremists , just like TMT , and caused mayhem in Cyprus including events that make every decent Cypriot ashamed !
    May I suggest that you obtain a copy of the book ” OYSTERS WITH THE MISSING PEARLS ” by Sevgul Uludag , a T/C journalist / writer , you may learn something so that you don’t come out with the stupid comments that you currently do .


    • Milt wrote, “May I suggest that you obtain a copy of the book ” OYSTERS WITH THE MISSING PEARLS ” by Sevgul Uludag , a T/C journalist / writer , you may learn something so that you don’t come out with the stupid comments that you currently do .”
      It obviously didn’t do you much good rolling on the floor

  • stelios ioannou

    Milti, save your breath man, these scumbag cheapskates are only thinking of their own skins. They have nothing to do with Turks/TCs other than buy stolen properties from them and they argue with you to safe guard their own interests. They care not for TC’s its just a myth a lie, but what more do you expect from scumbags with 1 brain cell.

    Now BT, is another reason why we need to liberate our country from the dogs, the invaders, he can spew all his cr*p here makes him feel good, what a plonker.

    I hope to god it pisses down on the 21st, for the alleged killings of these so called TCs, against the murder, rape, pillage that their T army caused is nothing a drop in the ocean. Against 6m jews, a waste of a candle.

    Go on you peasants away with you and you treacherous comments against a people who have lost so much so that you can have your homes in the sun, cheap, thieving swines.

  • AM

    Talking of disputed land & property isn’t it still the case that there is 3 times more disputed issues in the south than in the north

    Pot….kettle……..black ?

  • polly

    I can assure you Yiannis that I am not full of crap, my bowel habits, although none of your business, are very regular, whereas you obviously  spill your crap all over these posts.
    Eunice if it does rain on the Vigil, to my mind it will make it all the more poignant. 

  • British Turk

    Stelios your lucky to be left the land you got so what you gonna liberate. Idiot. Dream on. I dont need to make my self feel good. I can live in peace in the TRNC without having to worry about any scum bags. That is priceless.

  • miltiades

    So Embargoed – SELF IMPOSED ISOLATION – will hold a vigil later this month.
    Let me say that I consider the killing of just one Cypriot , G/C or T/C as a hideous crime and my condolences are with those families that had their loved ones murdered.
    I also think that note should be made of the continued occupation of  the northern part of Cyprus. 
    I doubt if such minute details interest Embargoed but here we go :
    As a result of the Turkish invasion, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, stated that the demographic structure of the island has been continuously modified as a result of the deliberate policies of the Turks. Despite the lack of consensus on the exact figures, all parties concerned admit that Turkish nationals have been systematically arriving in the northern part of the island. Some suggest, that over 120,000 settlers were brought into Cyprus from mainland Turkey. This was despite the Geneva convention Article 49  stating that “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
     

  • British Turk

    Hopefully there will be another 120,000 on the way. Then in years to come you cant excuse murder by saying you were the majority so we can do what we want. This is a veiw milt has expresed. As long as the world ignores the TRNC then the TRNC should ignore the geneva convention. you want all these rules obeyed but you dont want to follow them. It does not work like that, we all live by the rules or no one does.  Milt and his g/c only want whats best for them.  IT IS OUR LAND NOW AND YOU CANT BE AN OCCUPYING POWER IN YOUR OWN LAND, S I L L Y. Untill you understand this we will not get any where. Is it really that hard for people to understand. !!!!!!!

  • miltiades

    BT , your motherland is Turkey , you said so , what the hell are you doing in MY country ?
    The murders you mentioned are you perhaps referring to the 1000s killed by Turkish troops when Cyprus was invaded ? Or may be you are talking about the 1.5 million Armenians !!!
    Just to put the record straight , this village idiot doesn’t know his ass from his mouth because he attributes comments to my self that I have NEVER stated.
    Go to night school mate you may just slightly gain some badly needed education . Whats dat I haer yu cay ¬!!!!


    • Milt, how many people do you think there are in Cyprus that share your view? I should imagine just a few hundred extremists pensioners, wouldn’t you say?

  • miltiades

    Malcolm I would have thought that for a grown up man that you are you would be able to provide just one shred of evidence to back up your theory as far as my views are concerned.I’m considered a moderate by all who know me ,
    I have always maintained that both sides committed atrocities and that the perpetrators were the extremists.
    I consider and always have done that the T/Cs are just as indigenous to Cyprus as any other Cypriot and that those embracing their true motherland are my true compatriots.
    Which comments of mine do you think that only a few hundred Cypriots would share ?
    I think you are totally clueless mate and your posts are devoid of substance.


    • I apologise Milt, I must have misunderstand what you meant by “BT , your motherland is Turkey , you said so , what the hell are you doing in MY country ?” It sounded a bit like foreigners go home and not the sort of thing that should be said by one EU member to a prospective EU member. Plus all your talk of “motherlands” and “fatherlands” sounds suspiciously nationalistic, again anti-EU.

  • miltiades

    Malcolm , first of all you must fully comprehend the fundamental reasons for all of Cyprus’s problems .ONLY ONE !
    The consideration by a diminishing number of G/Cs who consider Greece and not Cyprus as their homeland and the ever increasing number of T/Cs who see Turkey as their motherland. Those that share my views , the majority , consider all of Cyprus to be their homeland and all Cypriots to be their compatriots . BT has expressed on numerous occasions that the northern part of Cyprus is Turkish , I on the other hand have NEVER considered  one inch of Cypriot soil as anything other than Cypriot.
    You must confess that if all Cypriots embraced my views the Cyprob would be solved instantly.
    All Cypriot citizens , provided of course that their presence in Cyprus is legal  , are entitled to equality under the law irrespective of country of origin , just as it is so in the UK.
     


    • Milt wrote, “increasing number of T/Cs who see Turkey as their motherland”
      You’re allowed ONE link to support what you say otherwise it seems like you’re just making facts up to support your bias.

  • miltiades

    Suffice to say that more than 120,000 settlers , the name of the pseudo state ” TURKISH RNC…….” Are you seriously asking to see a link supporting my comments ????
     


    • I believe more T/Cs are turning against Turkey because they see them as the cause of salaries and pensions being reduced. In my sentence I used the phrase “I believe” unlike you who make unsubstantiated statements as if they were fact.

  • miltiades

    Malcolm , it may surprise you to know that I have  in my extended family a T/C who shares my views and also believes that an ever increasing number of  T/Cs are looking to Turkey as their “motherland ”  . Thousands are no doubt disillusioned as they begin to realize that the “trnc” is a totally corrupt entity , unrecognized and with no future ahead.

  • Ian Edwards

    Yiannis, it’s a sad fact, but you are clearly unable to understand simple logic. You have become so bitter and twisted you have convinced yourself that history is something you are entitled to transform into what you think it should have been. You continue to rant about the problem being caused by a few extremists on both sides, as though there were no organised campaign aimed at ridding the island of all TCs.

    You just said you NEVER considered one inch of Cypriot soil as anything other than Cypriot, but you are also on record as admitting that you fought with Eoka and believed in Enosis.

    You can’t have it both ways mate.

  • Pauline Read

    Thought I just check in to see if anything new was appearing.

    No.

  • miltiades

    Ian ,. let me first of all ask you to give an example based on something that I have posted that makes arrive at the conclusion that Im bitter and twisted . Speak or shut the f up !
    Let me now deal with your comments that Im on record in support of Enosis !
    As you so rightly said I fought , past tense , I believed in Enosis also past tense and so did the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Im also on record as believing in a free and independent Cyprus , Im also on record saying that the struggle against the British rule had the wrong ultimate goal , Independence should have been the aim , embracing in the struggle minorities too.
    Let me just tell why Enosis was the ultimate goal , you must understand that in our long history we never experienced freedom and independence , as people we had just one guiding force to focus on , the Church. Politically we were mere embryos , the Cyprus nation did not exist as it does today. We were novices when it came to understanding political ramifications affecting this part of the world, may I also say that what we knew of Greece was “textbook ” stuff, abit like what the T/Cs knew of Turkey prior to the invasion.
    The Cypriot people are a progressive sort , we do not  in any way remain buried into the past , we move on we progress , we cherish our past history but we cherish our present and the future .
    This island came out of the  ruins of the biggest catastrophe it ever experienced in its long history , the Turkish invasion of 1974 , we recovered , we housed properly over 160,000 refugees , we did not sit back and languish over our calamity , we progressed and advanced so that we now have a modern infrastructure , new roads and one of the highest GDP in Europe.
    You must first understand the Cypriot people before making flimsy statements.
    Lets deal with the “organized” fanatics , they were responsible for ALL the violence , All of these fanatics took part in the coup of 1974 that led to the Turkish invasion.
    The Cypriot people at large , G/Cs , T/Cs and lets not forget the Armenians and others lived and interacted peacefully for many years without any incident. The Cypriot people do not have a history of war mongering , street violence  , child molesting or of criminal activities  of any  nature . We never in our history challenged an invader , we value our families and our honour , which incidentally does not rest between a woman’s legs but it is totally dependant on the actions and deeds we undertake.
    My father served in the British army during WW2, do you know what enticed him and the other 30,000 to enlist ?
    British promises of ENOSIS with Greece !!!!
    Learn Ian and I will respect your contributions , make comments about my person based on what I said and not on your personal interpretation.
    Reading through my numerous posts, both here in the Cyprus forum , no one can find just a single word containing hatred against my brothers and sisters , the the T/Cs. Critical content , yes of course , many also believe that the “trnc”  is a pseudo state and an extension of Turkish administration .
    I quote from the AFRICA T/C daily newspaper :
    “No occupier ruled Cyprus forever , Cyprus is ours.The Cypriots. In Cyprus we are the innkeepers , the occupiers the travellers…
                     “AFRICA”

  • Ian Edwards

    Yiannis, for “organised fanatics” I guess we now read Eoka?

    Yiannis, for someone who “does not in any way remain buried in(to) the past”, you harp on an awful lot about 1974…

  • miltiades

    Ian , you may have noticed that when I talk of the liberation struggle it is EOKA not a bunch of thugs that followed and formed EOKA B. Get this into your head then you may just understand a little about Cyprus.
    As for me “harping” on about 1974 , wouldn’t you if your country was viciously invaded , thousands of your own people butchered and more than 200,000 ( G/Cs and T/Cs ) displaced ? I guess not , all that you care is that your dodgy investment is safe and that you can enjoy your retirement in MY Property !!!, You are also an …..expert on the Cyprob , Plonker !
    Get lost Cheapskate , you are nothing but a low down piece of … and if you cant afford to live in decent accommodation purchased legally go back to the bush where no doubt your ancestors were sent to by the British justice system !!
    Have a good Christmas …scholar !!

  • Ian Edwards

    Yiannis, this thread is about 133 TCs who were killed or went missing in 1963.

    Eoka B wasn’t formed until 1970….

    And it was you who said you didn’t remain buried in the past. As I said, logic clearly isn’t your strong point.

  • miltiades

    Ian , EOKA was disbanded officially just after the signing of the Zurich agreement in 1959 . EOKA fighters came down from their hide outs to tumulteous welcome by most of the Cypriot people except the Communists.
    What went on in 1963 was a bloody disgrace , the then fledgling goverment was powerless faced with extremists who were determined on ENOSIS.
    Horrific events happened because extremists determined that they should happen . No side was innocent , both sets of extremists , ie the pro Enosis on one side and the pro Taxim on the other all commited their share of intolearbly cruel and barbaric acts.
    I have suggested before that some of you might learn something by obtaining a copy of OYSTERS WITH THE MISSING PEARLS ,by Sevgul Uludag ,easily available in any bookshop .
    ps. Sevgul is a Turkish Cypriot journalist . author , she is hated by the Grey Wolves because she tells the truth !

  • a slice of bread

    british turk
    get your booster cables out ,attach one to each ear and jump start your brain ,soon enough the americans will throw lots of $$$$$ on all cyprus and reunification will take place ,cyprus -oil – natural gas-=usa
    who knows we could be neighbors eating souvla drinking zivania ,maybe even car pool.

  • AM

    Bread boy………………dream til your hearts content!!

  • a slice of bread

    ok i got the eating souvla wrong ,it should read as lamb souvla and zivania should read as coke ,the rest is correct

  • AM

    Lets have a small wager then

    the next 24 months will see a 2 state solution
    what do you say dough brain 

  • a slice of bread

    bets on for a solution in 24 months
    souvla on my plot of land in kerynia ,the meat will be halal

  • AM

    I will speak to you in say 10 years time and see if you are in Kyrenia …………………..or not ?

  • a slice of bread

    i dont think i will live that long ,i have limited limb movement, on a wheelchair,so probably ……..not.
    lets hope they solve this problem sooner

  • British Turk

    A slice of bread please dont tell me you are like the milt. America and Turkey will never do anything to harm thier relainshionship. The TRNC will always be there from now on always. Soon we will be a two state country and that will be the end of it. Why should we listen to people like milt who live in a dream. He is a terrorist of the worst sort. He trys to defend it. We will never again live under any rule from g/c. NEVER. you must understand this , it just wont happen. You were very very lucky that countrys stopped turkey takin all of cyprus. Be greatfull and move on.